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What boils my blood

For some, Apple is always doomed. In the old days, because they were too small, dwarfed by Microsoft. Then, a decade ago, it was because the iPod boom would surely prove fleeting and soon go bust. Now, it’s because they’re too big, doomed by their success and the company’s institutional hubris. ~ John Gruber

What sometimes (often) boils my blood is the way Apple haters attack the company. When the company was struggling they were dismissed as an also-ran whose products were crap that no one would buy. Now that Apple is a success — from seemingly producing better product that people are buying — they are an evil corporation supported by millions of fan boys. I have a word for that.

Jealous – feeling resentment against someone because of that person’s rivalry, success, or advantages

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30 Comments on “What boils my blood

  1. I like the headline of your piece. Sometimes I am surprised at how angry I get as a result of this unreasonable Apple hate, but it is really very irritating.

    •  @Marty11 My wife reminds me that I must learn to chill out and not take these things so seriously.  I’m still learning.  🙂

      • @khurtwilliams@Marty11
        I’m still learning too. I’ve gotten better at ignoring general anonymous Internet stupidity — “the bottom half of the Internet” — people who sound like the proverbial 15-year-old in their mother’s basement. Where I’m still vulnerable is when I get blindsided by people I thought I knew, people who it turns out get off on trolling. These people succeed in getting my goat and they love it. It’s a constant lesson for me in how little I really know about the people I “know” — including someone I’ve known for decades.

  2. Great post.
     
    The problem with haters and fanboys (both Apple and Microsoft)  is that they treat their favorite technology companies like they would their favorite football team.   It doesn’t matter what side your on, whether you’re an Apple or Microsoft supporter, the other team will always be considered the “has-been” or the “evil-corporation” depending on the success they’ve reached (or haven’t reached).
     
    The exact same thing could be said about Microsoft right now (regardless of what you thought of the product). Microsoft, arguably the underdog these days, has made tons of mistakes in the past and are trying their hardest claw back up to the top. They’re actually putting out decent products these days. But the thing is most Apple fans probably aren’t rooting for Windows 8 or new products to reach succes because of their sports-team-mentality.
     
     It comes w/ the territory. Fanboys and haters are part of the industry. It’s just the way it is.

    • I agree. I’m stuck using Windows XP at the office but will gladly admit that Windows (and the accompanying productivity software) meets my office computing needs but I’d rather run my blog and other code on LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl/PHP/Python). For my personal computing needs I’ve made an informed choice – having had intimiate knowledge of many operating systems over the last 33 years – to user Apple products. As the @ShutterBugGeek put it:

      While I don’t think Apple is perfect (no one is), their products are a perfect fit for ME.

    • I’m using Windows XP (IT is upgrading to Windows 7 next year) at the office and will gladly admit that Windows (and the accompanying productivity software) meets my office computing needs but I’d rather run my blog and other code on LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl/PHP/Python).  For my personal computing needs I’ve made an <strong>informed</strong> choice – having had geeky experience and knowledge of many operating systems over the last 33 years – to use Apple products.  As the <a href=”http://twitter.com/ShutterBugGeek” rel=”nofollow”>@ShutterBugGeek </a>put it:</p> <blockquote>While I don’t think Apple is perfect (no one is), their products are a perfect fit for ME.</blockquote>

    • I will say it does not help matters when someone complains about their PC and some wise guy says “You should have gotten a Mac!” It’s not clever, it’s not original, and it’s not even the right answer.

  3. One of the things I’ve noticed is that Apple users—the one’s the haters call “fanboys”—are the FIRST ones to point out REAL problems or errors from Apple. The haters either invent problems or keep repeating complaints long after they’ve been resolved.

  4. It is truly amazing that the haters continue to say that Apple is doomed and the company is about ready to collapse despite the company growing wealthier by the day.  If Apple is ready to collapse, then what about Dell, H-P, Nokia, RIM, etc.  Companies that have far less revenue and reserve cash.  It’s always Apple.  I often wonder what is the matter with these people’s brains to always choose Apple as the first company to fail.  Maybe it has something to do with the dot-com era where large companies quickly tanked as investors panicked.  However, Apple doesn’t even have much overhead and its product line is relatively small.
     
    You say it’s jealousy, but it really has to do with stupidity.  Apple product sales are high because lots of people willingly go to buy them.  It’s hard to imagine a scenario where tens of millions of people just decide to buy some other product overnight.  There really can’t be that many iHaters, though.  The average consumer merely wants to get a good product for a reasonable price.  Good customer service goes a long way to owning any product.

  5. So true. I’ve been a fan since 1994. While I don’t think Apple is perfect (no one is), their products are a perfect fit for ME. I never hate on other products. As a matter of fact, I use an Android phone, but I have an iMac, iPod Touch, iPad, and Apple TV.

    The thing that makes Apple strong is consistency. The Android platform has too many manufactures using too many different specs (including inconsistent versions of the OS). Once you’re in the Apple ecosystem, all products work beautifully together through Home Share and AirPlay. YES, other products can use DLNA, but they don’t always work smoothly together, unless perhaps you have all products from the same manufacturer, I.e. Samsung (copycats) or LG.

    Speaking of copycats, Apple is not only an innovator of quality, user-friendly products, but also beautiful design. Everyone seems to try to catch up with and Imitate their products, so isn’t imitation supposed to be the biggest compliment? Then why are people hating if they have wannabe products?

    • I don’t often get into flame wars with people over which product is best etc. But I do get angry when I hear misinformation, negative comments or remarks with have no facts to back them up, and no respect for what the company has done. I certainly believe that the younger generation of computer enthusiasts need a history lesson in computing.

    •  @ShutterBugGeek I don’t often get into flame wars with people over which product is best etc.  But I do get angry when I hear misinformation, negative comments or remarks with have no facts to back them up, and no respect for anything that the company has done.  I certainly believe that the younger generation of computer enthusiasts need a history lesson in computing.

      •  @khurtwilliams  @ShutterBugGeek Thank you, Khurt, for pointing this out loud and clear; I frankly have your same feeling. I like to dissipate some inconsistent ideas with proper arguments here and there, but the very most of the times you find yourself arguing with literally anti-Apple kind of guys, in their own self-kingdom – and it’s a worlwide trend. ShutterBugGeek tells it perfectly: “While I don’t think Apple is perfect (no one is), their products are a perfect fit for ME”. But those reasons are – at best – vastly ignored.

    •  @ShutterBugGeek Problem you have is that all of you see and think Apple created all of this and they didn’t.  I’m not saying they shouldn’t use what others have done and make improvements, after all that is what it’s all about.  People come to other sites that are not Apple based and shove their Apple opinions down peoples throats like we really care if they are or aren’t this or that.  I’ve been in computers since the early 80’s, I’ve been around them since the mid to late 70’s, I know full well who did what first and how it started.  I’m also an avid computer history nut.
       
      For you calling people Copycats, then you should seriously trace back Apple’s history as much as everyone else.  You can’t say that Apple never copied anyone, that would be showing ignorance and being blind.  Sony had the first preliminary designs, which is pretty much exactly where the iPhone design came from.  Another good example is MP3 players, they did not have the first ones around.  They did however have a better one, more marketable and I applaud Apple for that.
       
      Apple also is famous for shooting themselves in the foot and have done so repeatedly throughout their time which is why they never had a huge market share in the computer world.  The only reason they had a great foothold in the graphics line was the fact that Commodore failed at marketing the Amiga line ( Which was far superior at their time than Apple ), as well the fact that Adobe only made their software at that time for Apple.  Which solidified them in the graphics and publishing industry with contracts and thousands of computers sold and there is nothing wrong with that.  That’s how it’s done.
       
      And to give another side to this even still, in the lawsuit with Samsung, Apple has the nerve to call out Squared shaped icons?  Give us all a break come’on you know that was a bit much.  Icons have been square long before even used in computer terms.  We’ve used such things in Drawings for artwork for years, Windows and Apple OS together has had them, the Amiga had them, my god everyone has them… To use that as a basis of copying the iOS is stupid.  Then the shape of the device?  Ok, if it was copied identically YES I would agree, but just because it’s rectangular and has rounded corners?  That my friend is a popular and general shape used for a lot of things in this world.
       
      The real criminal in this trial was not so much Apple or Samsung, but the stupid Patent office for allowing such patents to be issued.  No one should be able to do that.  The other things people argue over is the fact of did Apple create the Pinch to Zoom, Slide to Lock, while they may have came up with their own variation of it?  They did not create it, again, there is nothing wrong with them using it either, but to call foul on someone else using it is hypocrisy in it’s purest form.
       
      Now I don’t hate Apple, but I do not worship them either.  I’ve watched them do good and do bad.  Where they typically do bad is by shooting themselves in the foot.  Like only going with AT&T at the start.  Limiting yourself like that is a mistake, they know it now, but didn’t care at the start.  That’s how Android got a major jump on them.   Now the other time was when they cut out the Clones.  Used to be you could build a Mac to your specific liking without having to spend the over exaggerated cost that Apple charges for them.  Much like the PC’s still do to this very day.  Which is what I do, because not only do I not care for Apple’s pricing, but I also know they don’t put in the quality they used to into their products and they are NOT worth what they ask for them.  So I build my own….  Have been for going on twenty years now.
       
      I have built my computers and had them benchmarked against Apples, HP’s, Dells, you name it, I came out on top because I know what I’m doing and know how to build a system that is able to perform the way I need it to.  Not everyone will be able to do this though and that is why there is other companies to go to.  Best part was, I build them for a third the cost using name brand reliable parts that all have very good warranties on them.  Never have I had a problem and that’s a good thing for me at least.  But had Apple let the clones alone, they’d have a much bigger market share than they do now.
       
      You used the argument that there is no consistency, I disagree.  Just because there are many different OEM’s out there, doesn’t mean the OS is not consistent.  The only things they change are the UI Overlay to the OS, which can be changed to a standard if you don’t like Samsung’s, HTC’s, etc…. Google has their own line, Nexus, which does come with the standard UI.  I have a GSIII, I do not use or like TouchWiz, I use Apex which is an ICS based Home Screen Launcher and it’s based on standard ICS.  Guess, what?  I have something iOS users don’t, choice.  I can choose how it looks, how it operates and how it behaves to my liking.  If you don’t like yours, tough, you’re stuck with it no matter how good the iPhone may be.
       
      I can also upgrade my memory, you can’t, without buying a new phone.  If my battery goes bad?  I can buy a new one, you have to take yours to a dealer or send it in or get a new one.  As a consumer I weight those factors in my decision to buy things, so again, I cannot sit here and rightfully say that Samsung copied anyone to a point where they deserved anything like they’re getting from Apple who by the way, uses Samsung technology in a lot of their devices.  If I were Samsung, I’d dump them right here and now and be done with it and say “Well, you claim you’re innovative, here’s your chance to prove it.  You’re on your own!”  But they wont because probably contracts keep them from doing so.
       
      Like I said, I don’t hate Apple, but I sure do not like what they’ve become over the past 10 years.  They have done great things but I think people give them a bit too much credit and don’t look under the hood enough to know the difference.  I know, because I’m a graphics designer and photographer that does not use Apple at all….. By choice! 

      • @RTWright based on the rampage post ( your term not mine ) on the talk Android site, I can certainly say that was profound Apple hate Sir!

      •  @RTWright  I think you missed @ShutterBugGeek point.
         
        “While I don’t think Apple is perfect (no one is), their products are a perfect fit for ME.”
         

        •  @khurtwilliams  @ShutterBugGeek Oh I know, sorry if my post was rather edgy as I’ve been getting a lot of heat and get really annoyed with people that take such biased sides on either side of this topic.  My post by the way was by no means meant as a knock on you.  You out of all the ones I’ve read posts from, have a better perspective on things than others.
           
          Which is pretty much what I was getting at.  No side of this fence is particularly greener than the other.  I just wish the companies themselves would stop all the nonsense and get back on track….

        • @khurtwilliams @RTWright This is true. I would never push Apple products on people. They’re not the best fit for everyone, not they ARE great for me.

      •  @RTWright  Apple has never claimed to create the first product of any category. They didn’t make the first personal computer. They didn’t make the first smartphone. They didn’t make the first MP3 player.
         
        However, the “Sony had the first preliminary designs” comment you made is actually a piece of FUD that was spread by Samsung’s lawyers during the recent trial. The “Sony design” for the iPhone that was floating around was actually created by an Apple employee that was tasked to create a mockup of what an iPhone might look like if it were made by Sony. The basis for the design was from an MP3 player that Sony had developed, but the iPhone was already in development at the time the artist was tasked with this particular scenario. It was simply an exercise and part of the internal Apple design process that we never even knew occurred before this trial.
         
        I won’t waste time rebutting your comments about the limitations of the iPhone hardware, as you are generally correct. There may be workarounds, but they aren’t convenient for most users. That said, the important thing to remember about the iPhone is that it’s geared toward people that don’t want or don’t care about upgradeable storage, removable batteries, or customizable user interfaces. They just want a phone that works and to know that their experience with their new iPhone is going to be basically the same as their old iPhone.
         
        As I’ve never used Android as my primary phone (I’ve got a Droid 2 Global that I keep around as a toy), I can’t speak for everyone’s experience. However, I jailbroke the first iPhone I ever had. It was incredibly easy and allowed me to do all the things with it that you talk about doing with your SIII. I spent weeks rooting and unrooting and rerooting my Droid 2 Global to try and find a single worthwhile mod for the UI that allowed me to experience vanilla Android. I had nothing but problems, despite all the various websites giving me detailed instructions on how to do exactly what I wanted to do on the exact phone I had in my hands. I finally gave up on it and simply updated to the latest version of Gingerbread the phone could run (which is unrootable, though I no longer care), powered the device off, and stuck it back in my bag to pull out the next time I wanted to play with an Android-only app.
         
        Now, I know that not everything you want to do with an Android phone requires root, but a great many things do. I’ve yet to see a phone that lets you modify the UI without rooting it first, and I can promise you that the majority of Android users will never try or want to figure out how to make it work. Which is exactly why you can throw your “choice” argument around all day and it will fall on deaf ears.
         
        Lastly, let’s talk about your argument that Samsung should dump Apple. Unfortunately, Samsung would be the loser in that situation. Apple certainly does use Samsung parts in the iPhone, but not a single one of those parts is irreplaceable. The displays in the iPad have already begun being manufactured by Sharp. Samsung did not design the Retina display used in the iPhone and iPad. They simply run a number of very large fabrication plants capable of meeting the demand Apple has for their parts. If Apple were to stop using Samsung to fabricate parts entirely, Samsung would lose billions in revenue and Apple would simply move their fabrication somewhere else.
         
        Haven’t you ever wondered why Samsung has never put a Retina display or an A5 chip in their devices? It’s because it’s not their tech. They’re simply manufacturing it for Apple. Apple does not depend on technology from Samsung.

        •  @zepfhyr  Let me say this once more, I do not hate Apple.  My point is and will always be, the patents they hold they did not create did not originate a single one of them.  Yet you people think they own everything in the computing world.  Point is, Samsung is just as big as Apple, if they pulled out it wouldn’t hurt them as much as  you’d think because Apple is not their only customer.
           
          As for Android’s UI not being customizable unless you root it, then you haven’t tried Apex, Launcher Pro, ADW, TSF Shell, Nova and several other Home Screen Managers that allow you to completely change the look and feel of the OS over that which comes stock on the systems.  I have my GSIII which is not rooted at all and will never be.  I had an Evo4G that I did in fact root and had it that way from just six months out of the box and I had bought it when it first came out.  That was my first smartphone and I had looked at the iPhone at the start of it.  So yes, I do know quite a bit about the rooting process and it sucks for some models and easy as can be on others.
           
          Personally I feel you shouldn’t have to root to be able to change the look and feel of things.  As for my Rampage thing, I do not hate Apple.  It’s more likely the users I tend to get disgruntled at because they’re worse than bible thumping evangelist on a holiday when they start in on things.  Trust me I have had to deal with them where I worked, because according to them unless I used an Apple/Mac I am not a graphics artist.  Needless to say my work that was predominately displayed as desktop wallpaper across every Mac the next morning disproved that.  Though I did upset the Mac Hardware Rep quite a bit over that one ( This was back in 98 now mind you ).
           
          I do use Macs now and then, as I go from place to place working for different people as a Photographer as well as a Designer.  Right now I’m on a MacBook Pro ( Which this one is less than desirable let me say, it’s old and cannot even update to the latest version of Snow Leopard ).  I’ve worked on a iMac 27″ and as well own a 9600 series that actually still runs with OS8 on it.
           
          All of that aside, I’ve sat and watched and read for the last two decades of the Apple users and so called articles.  It’s always been Apple against the world it seems. Don’t get me wrong I detest a lot of the things Microsoft and others have done.  If I could get everything I like software-wise to run on Linux, that’s exactly where I’d be.  On a PC that I build and using NO ONE’s stupid OS that is restrictive.  I have issues left and right about Microsoft, but that’s not who we’re talkind about here.
           
          And yes all I have to go on is what is posted on several of the mainstream sites I go to.  I’m not involved in the legal battle itself, so I’m definitely not going to waste my time digging through all of it to find out every single detail.  I actually don’t really care to that point, I just would like to see Apple and Samsung as well as any other Patent happy lawsuit company, stop the nonsense and get back to work.
           
          Lets face it, the iPhone has not dramatically changed and isn’t going to any time soon as it appears.  Yeah you’ve gotten a few minor advancements but nothing major.  This is why a lot of people do leave the iPhone.  They tend to get tired of it, the only ones who truly stick to it no matter what are those that are happy with that and don’t need, want or care to own anything else.  Or just flat love Apple that much that they wont betray their brand.  Okay, I’m fine with that, because that is -your- choice as a consumer to do so.
           
          But when I look at my brothers iPhone and trust me, he and I compare it with my GSIII all the time, we can’t agree at any point it was copied exactly from anything the iPhone has.  Not even with TouchWiz active ( Which I hate…. grrrrrr ).  If there is any companies at the moment that should be butt hurt so to speak, in this industry.  It’s RIM and Microsoft, they are the bottom end of it all and I do not see them recovering any time soon.  Microsoft might get better before RIM, but the last Blackberry I owned physically has fallen apart and it hasn’t even been in use for at least a good three years.  It just up and fell to pieces literally.  So I question their quality anymore.
           
          And by the way, Kersten, if you doubt the rest of what I said?  That’s quite alright by me.  I don’t post these just to flex my ego or any other reason just that I disagree with someone and or want to have a decent conversation as apposed to the constant name calling and flame wars that people do on sites such as this and others.  I for one welcome anyone to challenge anything I post.  If I’m wrong?  I’ll look and find out and I’ll be the first one to admit to it as well.  I’m man enough to stand before people and admit that I’ve been wrong before, I’m human, so I claim nothing of perfection.  

      •  @RTWright  @ShutterBugGeek RTW, thanks for your thoughts. However, I do want to call you out on the rounded corners issue. That was not the foundation of Apples case but the misdirection of Samsung’s lawyers. Your opinion falls apart here, just like many of the reporters and bloggers who take oft repeated half truths as fact because they read them on many sites. The only way to do research correctly is to go to source documents. That you clearly do not makes you first Paragraph grandiose and makes me doubt the rest of what you say.

        •  @Kersten The technical press did a shit job of reporting on this case.   Folks like  @ShutterBugGeek can’t be faulted for forming opinions based on what is reported.  Up until I read some of the details as reported on Groklaw and other places, I also thought this was about rounded corners etc.  
           
          NOTE: There is such a thing as a design patent that does cover such things: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/iip/pdf/brochure_05.pdf

        •  @khurtwilliams  @Kersten  @ShutterBugGeek  Like I said, the real criminals here is the Patent office.  Those laws and structures need to be looked at a lot closer.

      • @RTWright I realize that Apple did not invent the wheel, but they did revolutionize it.

        I had Palm products for years before they sank. They had a stylus-based touch screen, plus free and paid apps. I had to convert music and video to watch content on my SD card, used AvantGo for news, had tons of apps, could take photos and video, and basically used it like a 4th gen iPod Touch. The avg. non-geek was amazed at what I did with it but couldn’t comprehend it.

        I also use Archos and Creative media players for video and music storage, and used them as external hard drives. I’m NEVER tied down to one brand.

        If you think about it, it seems like ‘everyone and their grandmother’ has a smartphone, tablet or ebook reader, because Apple’s iPhone and App store made the technology comprehendible. They also added a multi-gesture touch screen and a UI that appeals to the avg. consumer.

        When I mentioned copycat, I’m simply referring to patents. Though it’s widely known throughout many industries (especially cars) that many east Asian manufacturers borrow the tech and/or designs of others, and make it their own. I’m not against piggybacking on someone’s concept and improving on it as long as it doesn’t infringe on patents. The key is IMPROVEMENT and innovation, not regurgitation.

        Samsung has some nice products, but I wonder how much of the tech is their own. I’m not hating on them. I’m actually considering a flat screen from them. I do however wonder about the commitment to the products of manufacturers who produce too many items, i.e. TVs, cellphones, washers, fridges, etc. I think when you dip your finger into too many pots, there has to be a bit of sacrifice.

        Anyway, the more competition, the better, for consumers, right? 😉

      •  @RTWright , sharing your same 70’s-80’s background, I find your statements quite rough. @zepfhyr anticipated my same remarks, but I beg your pardon if I can’t see no real foundation throughout your observations – particularly for the legal ones.As proved, Samsung denied fair Apple offers for their patents, while secretly copying, copying and copying them at the same time. Whatever one may speculate about the Patent Office, fact is that Apple always paid for such stuff, since Jobs visiting the Palo Alto labs in 1979. There are very good reasons to patent something, and one of those relates with the ethics of work, which to me it’s a matter of values, really. When you pay for patents or licenses, you respect the work of people spending all of their knowledge and time to do new, great things. There are requirements to patent. And what is called patent infringement in the US, it was called “similarity” in Samsungland (South Korea). “Problem you have is that all of you see and think Apple created all of this and they didn’t.” …Really? Then who made the computer personal: IBM, Xerox, or Apple? :)Do you remember the work from the so-called Lisa group that Gates later ripped for himself? Or do you remember the Newton, RTWright? It seems not. And if one used your same logics, should say that you build systems whose components are made by others and that you don’t make nothing good, right?You also talk about “exaggerated costs”, but at Apple graphics designers do (great) graphics designing – and not part-time jobs while assembling coffee machines. There is research, development, manufacturing, and a lots of other factors involved, included marketing, in a Apple price. But a very high final customer satisfaction. Can you tell about these reasons? Because denying all of these things, shows ignorance. And also a lack of basics that a true professional could not afford. Before Apple, Samsung copied RIM, copied Palm, and aware of copying the iPhone, they started copying the Apple Store; now even the OS X Dock, too. But despite of all, Samsung is showing the same old approach of Microsoft, who really thought that it was Apple to copy from them 😀 To put it differently, please tell me if your work is copyrighted or not. And why. Then please tell me why you build computers. And why. Apple or not, you sounded like a graphics designer and photographer which rigs up computers. And if you pass me the joke, that’s not really a proper benchmark ;)If there was no Apple, and the hard work of many, many talented guys, you’d probably not build any system for any customers: not even speculating around.  

        •  @dotf  @RTWright  @zepfhyr It’s interesting how many people make statements that “Apple didn’t invent the smartphone and tablet” while holding up images of the Palm Pilot but conveniently forget that the Newton predates Palm.  Sigh!

      •  @RTWright sharing your same 70’s-80’s background, I find your statements quite rough. @zepfhyr anticipated my same remarks, but I beg your pardon if I can’t see no real foundation throughout your observations – particularly for the legal ones. As proved, Samsung denied fair Apple offers for their patents, while secretly copying, copying and copying them at the same time. Whatever one may speculate about the Patent Office, fact is that Apple always paid for such stuff, since Jobs visiting the Palo Alto labs in 1979. There are very good reasons to patent something, and one of those relates with the ethics of work, which to me it’s a matter of values, really. When you pay for patents or licenses, you respect the work of people spending all of their knowledge and time to do new, great things. There are requirements to patent. And what is called patent infringement in the US, it was called “similarity” in Samsungland (South Korea). “Problem you have is that all of you see and think Apple created all of this and they didn’t.” …Really? Then who made the computer personal: IBM, Xerox, or Apple? 🙂 Do you remember the work from the so-called Lisa group that Gates later ripped for himself? Or do you remember the Newton, RTWright? It seems not. And if one used your same logics, should say that you build systems whose components are made by others and that you don’t make nothing good, right? You also talk about “exaggerated costs”, but at Apple graphics designers do (great) graphics designing – and not part-time jobs while assembling coffee machines. There is research, development, manufacturing, and a lots of other factors involved, included marketing, in a Apple price. But a very high final customer satisfaction. Can you tell about these reasons? Because denying all of these things, shows ignorance. And also a lack of basics that a true professional could not afford. Before Apple, Samsung copied RIM, copied Palm, and aware of copying the iPhone, they started copying the Apple Store; now even the OS X Dock, too. But despite of all, Samsung is showing the same old approach of Microsoft, who really thought that it was Apple to copy from them 😀 To put it differently, please tell me if your work is copyrighted or not. And why. Then please tell me why you build computers. And why. Apple or not, you sounded like a graphics designer and photographer which rigs up computers. And if you pass me the joke, that’s not really a proper benchmark 😉 If there was no Apple, and the hard work of many, many talented guys, you’d probably not build any system for any customers: not even speculating around.  

      • @RTWright, sharing your same 70’s-80’s background, I find your statements quite rough. @zepfhyr anticipated my same remarks, but I beg your pardon if I can’t see no real foundation throughout your observations – particularly for the legal ones. As proved, Samsung denied fair Apple offers for their patents, while secretly copying, copying and copying them at the same time. Whatever one may speculate about the Patent Office, fact is that Apple always paid for such stuff, since Jobs visiting the Palo Alto labs in 1979. There are very good reasons to patent something, and one of those relates with the ethics of work, which to me it’s a matter of values, really. When you pay for patents or licenses, you respect the work of people spending all of their knowledge and time to do new, great things. There are requirements to patent. And what is called patent infringement in the US, it was called “similarity” in Samsungland (South Korea). “Problem you have is that all of you see and think Apple created all of this and they didn’t.” …Really? Then who made the computer personal: IBM, Xerox, or Apple? 🙂 Do you remember the work from the so-called Lisa group that Gates later ripped for himself? Or do you remember the Newton, RTWright? It seems not. And if one used your same logics, should say that you build systems whose components are made by others and that you don’t make nothing good, right? You also talk about “exaggerated costs”, but at Apple graphics designers do (great) graphics designing – and not part-time jobs while assembling coffee machines. There is research, development, manufacturing, and a lots of other factors involved, included marketing, in a Apple price. But a very high final customer satisfaction. Can you tell about these reasons? Because denying all of these things, shows ignorance. And also a lack of basics that a true professional could not afford. Before Apple, Samsung copied RIM, copied Palm, and aware of copying the iPhone, they started copying the Apple Store; now even the OS X Dock, too. But despite of all, Samsung is showing the same old approach of Microsoft, who really thought that it was Apple to copy from them 😀 To put it differently, please tell me if your work is copyrighted or not. And why. Then please tell me why you build computers. And why. Apple or not, you sounded like a graphics designer and photographer which rigs up computers. And if you pass me the joke, that’s not really a proper benchmark 😉 If there was no Apple, and the hard work of many, many talented guys, you’d probably not build any system for any customers: not even speculating around. 

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