I have been using Wireless Distribution System (WDS) between Time Capsule (TC), AirPort Extreme (AE) Base station, and AirPort Express (AX) to extend my network all over my home. The Time Capsule is the main with the AE and AX as "supplicants". The configuration is such that it appears as one wireless network with one SSID. I get between 80% and 90% signal strength from anywhere in the house. As long as I use the AirPort Admin software ( either on a Mac or on Windows ) setting up the WDS network is a breeze. All I needed was the MAC address of each device.
The AX is connected to the stereo for use with AirTunes from the Mac mini ( which is hooked up via HDMI to the TV ). My stereo and TV are not in the same room. The AE is just a repeater and also connects the Series 2 TiVo to the network.
I had configured a LinkSys WRT54G with the DD-WRT firmware but never got around to testing it in WDS mode with the TC. I'll have to dust it off. I was going to write up details on what I had done to accomplish this when I received the following email from a colleague in response to an email from another colleague. I think he says it better than I could.
Both the main base station and the relay/remote base stations have to know they are participating in WDS. I know the old Linksys routers are not capable of WDS right out of the box. You have to reflash them with alternate firmware. On the Apple gear, you have to tell each device what role it plays in WDS and tell it the MAC address of the other devices so someone doesn't just join your WDS network with their router. I would imagine other branded devices would be similar. (You kow, Ting, it might be time to buy that TimeCapsule afterall, lol)
As an aside, I went into the Apple Skunkworks lab last night (my house and production network- lol). I was able to get my TimeCapsule and Airport Express to talk WDS (I need a better hobby for my free time).
The TC is cabled to my cable modem and served as my main base station.
My AE served as a remote base station. I set LEDs on both to flash on activity so I could see which router I was talking to. I've found:
- Close to the main base station, data would fly (testing speed against speakeasy.net's speed test). If I went to the AE, throughput would be halved but was not unbearable. It worked as the WDS spec advertized.
I could see the AE start to flash as I got closer to it. It transferred the connection seamlessly (and back again when I got close to the TC). I didn't have to kick anything to get it to flip back and forth between stations.
I kept the same IP address no matter where I went. The AE would just relay the traffic to the TC.
An added benefit is that you can use the WAN port on the AE as a regular LAN port. I shut off my PowerBook wireless and plugged in an ethernet cable from the PB to the AE. I was able to talk wired to the AE which then spoke wireless back to the TC. (Hmmm, maybe a good way to get an wired remote machine to network without having to run cables
- No complicated setup on the AE. It honored all of the MAC address filtering and IP address ranges of the TC. All I had to do was tell it the TC's MAC address and duplicate the SSID and security settings
Steve25th November 2009 at 10:25 PM
Hold down the "Option" key when selecting the "Wireless Mode" drop down. It will provide you with additional options...
@mlinde21st July 2009 at 1:47 PM
I'm going to say this isn't so simple as you pretend. I had an existing WDS network with 802.11g devices (AExtreme + 2 Expresses) that I had to disable when I got my time capsule (which replace the AExtreme). I have spent several hours over the last two weeks trying to make WDS work with the Time Capsule as the main and one Express as a remote - I have wireless with the main but the Express disappears from Airport Utility and is flashing yellow - error status. This may be simple if you go buy all new hardware, but currently I don't have functional WDS and management for multiple base stations.
Khürt Williams21st July 2009 at 4:48 PM
mlinde: "this isn't so simple as you pretend". Poor choice of words? I don't post anything here that I have not done myself. My experience is exactly as detailed above. Here is a more recently article I posed on this: http://islandinthenet.com////2009/05/15/creating-a-w...
Brendan Bellina7th November 2009 at 6:03 PM
The Airport Utility on my Time Capsule only displays two options in the wireless settings: Create a Wireless Network, and Extend a Wireless Network. There is no Participate in a WDS Network option to select. Without that there doesn't seem to be a way to set up WDS properly using Time Capsule.
Khurt10th November 2009 at 12:22 AM
Extend a Wireless Network is what you want.
Khürt1st August 2008 at 7:20 AM
It's the same thing. From the AirPort admin utility help:
Robert Nicholson31st July 2008 at 6:01 PM
What then is the difference b/w WDS and extend existing network?
I've got AE (n) and a TC
Because I want to use ethernet from my macbook pro to the TC I've got the TC in the living room and the AE in the bedroom where internet connectivity is. I'm looking as to why when you have the TC extend the AE and make both available as one network why other computers can no longer see the TC over wireless. Also, in this setup. I shouldn't need wireless on the Macbook Pro should I since it should get out via the TC over ethernet and then wireless to the AE?